tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post11172665192842967..comments2024-03-28T00:20:09.242-07:00Comments on Comic and Screen: Processing the Suicide Squad Reviewsottensamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09653631895217229875noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-1403332963974763902016-08-14T05:16:51.672-07:002016-08-14T05:16:51.672-07:00@ChrisMan Come on now. That's silly. From what...@ChrisMan Come on now. That's silly. From what passage in the article did you get the idea that I'm disallowing negative reviews?<br /><br />The main points in my post are that the reviews were decidedly mixed on the whole, not overly negative. And then I argued that some of the negative ones seemed to be based on a misalignment of expectations (what the movie could've been) and what the movie was. That's just my attempt to process WHY the negative ones were negative, and then I also pointed out that many were mixed or positive. I would never say that a critic HAS to post only positive reviews. Seriously.ottensamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09653631895217229875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-14945148560524912912016-08-14T01:18:17.237-07:002016-08-14T01:18:17.237-07:00Not when it's over the top and almost predator...Not when it's over the top and almost predatory. Roger Ebert can tear a Movie apart and still be respectful and professionalAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937120439595585646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-37121861385649668462016-08-13T23:57:19.520-07:002016-08-13T23:57:19.520-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.ChrisManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02834203757652096203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-34380568456604379082016-08-13T23:57:11.792-07:002016-08-13T23:57:11.792-07:00Are you saying that critics have no right to make ...Are you saying that critics have no right to make a negative review?ChrisManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02834203757652096203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-81856809956468505462016-08-04T10:56:31.162-07:002016-08-04T10:56:31.162-07:00The comparison to GotG is silly the only similarit...The comparison to GotG is silly the only similarities they share is rag tag bunch misfits and even that's a stretch. GotG isn't the first or particularly good use of the Rag tag bunch of misfits trope (let's be honest it's just the Rocket Racoon show).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937120439595585646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-29586164987492564342016-08-04T10:00:13.252-07:002016-08-04T10:00:13.252-07:00@Trent -- yes, yes, yes. I completely agree that, ...@Trent -- yes, yes, yes. I completely agree that, storywise, it made sense to have Bruce and Lex both grappling with Superman's presence right along with the rest of the world. I also agree that BvS made more sense than MOS2. Honestly, I think keeping Superman limited to an MOS2 would've been artificially restrictive.<br /><br />As for SS, the constant comparison to Guardians may be why critics are not very forgiving for SS... they think WB is copycating as so they want to ding them for it.ottensamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09653631895217229875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-12503555051317833772016-08-04T09:57:36.827-07:002016-08-04T09:57:36.827-07:00Me too. I am already surprised that this has gone ...Me too. I am already surprised that this has gone beyond Snyder and to a new director, but if it also hits Wonder Woman this way, that will be even more frustrating. (But again, like you, I haven't seen it yet... so there's a chance that I also will think it's bad, but based on the reviews I've read, I'm still pretty optimistic because the negative reviews don't really speak to me.)ottensamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09653631895217229875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-76063160835993951222016-08-04T06:42:42.271-07:002016-08-04T06:42:42.271-07:00Sam,
As always I appreciate your perspective. I ...Sam,<br /><br />As always I appreciate your perspective. I agree with you on the bias issue being unconscious but it is there and really frustrating to DCEU fans. I would not be surprised to see the same thing happen to Wonder Woman. I will see Suicide Squad tomorrow and judge for myself. <br />Brad Belmonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03028562538208078490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-42103361340986821892016-08-04T02:35:16.031-07:002016-08-04T02:35:16.031-07:00@TheStarskye other than superman going out on his ...@TheStarskye other than superman going out on his own as a drifter to find himself the similarities end thereAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937120439595585646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-66212174912979448032016-08-04T02:23:41.927-07:002016-08-04T02:23:41.927-07:00Amen to that.Amen to that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937120439595585646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-71210522557115165992016-08-03T21:50:36.787-07:002016-08-03T21:50:36.787-07:00Which in itself is a flawed perspective Most compl...Which in itself is a flawed perspective Most complaints about BVS being overstuffed comes from people looking at it as a rushed attempt to reach justice league to play catch up. This is flawed. People say they put in batman because they didn't care about Superman. It should've been MOS 2 then batman and finally BVS. All the people saying this aren't looking at it from a storytelling standpoint.<br /><br />If you do MOS 2 with the same basic struggle the world's reaction to Superman and have Superman win the world's trust at the end, what purpose does Bruce's motive have anymore it would be repetitive and metropolis is the only logical reason he would go after him. You can't have both it's either MOS 2 or BVS. If you're going to do the world reaction to Superman why not have batman's view be a part of it, it makes sense to use this event to introduce and motivate Bruce. If you're going to show how Superman effects the world why not have his appearance reveal other metahumans like WW. Why not have Superman's intro to the world be a massive event to not just the superman world but the entire DC universe. <br /><br />It makes sense superman is introduced and it reveals a whole world we didn't know existed. It's not a rush job it's the logical next step. It's not playing catch up it's telling the story it wants. None of the critics think of this they don't consider why any of this was chosen just assume it's rush job they don't bother to understand the vision. Same is happening with SS look at their perception and assuming it's just a desperate attempt to replicate guardians. Critics and even a lot of audiences don't seem to bother understanding a filmmakers vision and why they do what they do anymore.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798573896827662523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-65718628091665839282016-08-02T19:44:09.705-07:002016-08-02T19:44:09.705-07:00I think making Batman Begins but with Superman is ...I think making Batman Begins but with Superman is itself a risk because many people expect Superman to be more upbeat and milquetoast. It was risky to depower him, to have Lois learn his identity, to have the tornado scene, and to have him kill Zod exhibiting the free will that he'd been endowed with through natural birth. I happen to appreciate all of those risks, but it did make the movie very divisive. Almost as divisive as BvS.ottensamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09653631895217229875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-55435981180124545852016-08-02T19:23:07.905-07:002016-08-02T19:23:07.905-07:00It's fine if the movie takes risks but those r...It's fine if the movie takes risks but those risks have to pay off which they clearly didn't. Also what risks did MoS steel take? It was just Batman Begins but with Superman. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03397328156187583421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-46158192599852972122016-08-02T19:12:30.690-07:002016-08-02T19:12:30.690-07:00I think you're right. It's not that they&#...I think you're right. It's not that they're paid off by Marvel and many aren't even doing it consciously, but Marvel has set the standard for the genre (kudos to them) and the critics keep judging WB superhero movies against that Marvel template. They also write their reviews as part of a larger contextual narrative, and the narrative that's been going for awhile is that WB is desperate to catch up to Marvel, so they spin reviews through that lens (I saw one like, "This is not going to get WB on track to catch Marvel").ottensamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09653631895217229875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-63436251557947933592016-08-02T19:08:40.575-07:002016-08-02T19:08:40.575-07:00I definitely saw that in a few of the reviews. Mus...I definitely saw that in a few of the reviews. Must be frustrating for WB.ottensamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09653631895217229875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-42499866084349437102016-08-02T18:08:39.677-07:002016-08-02T18:08:39.677-07:00Okay. Now, I'm a believer. Lots of critics hat...Okay. Now, I'm a believer. Lots of critics hate on the DCEU just to hate and are clearly biased towards Marvel...Deon Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06331500997177214537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5935799542324632108.post-3811797383303389172016-08-02T15:54:40.945-07:002016-08-02T15:54:40.945-07:00So let me get this straight...people were criticiz...So let me get this straight...people were criticizing MoS and BvS for not playing safe and taking too many risks, yet SS is being criticized for the exact opposite reason!?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14894981199195558492noreply@blogger.com